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Katie: Hey, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of private care merchandise. Remember to examine them out. This episode is all about one of many instruments I exploit to remain productive and arranged, and that I really feel is a particularly helpful device. And I additionally really feel like I’m not utilizing it in addition to I might be. It’s known as Notion, and it’s an app that can be utilized on cellphone or desktop. It integrates with each. And there appear to be infinite methods of utilizing it. I’m in no way an professional. So I’m right here with the techniques professional, Sandra Halling, who’s a enterprise strategist and system consultants, who loves the technological facet. She’s been doing completely different types of this for 20 years. And now she brings her company expertise and her strategic considering to assist small companies and entrepreneurs and people at implementing Notion and how one can use that to create a framework that helps her private life. She focuses on group and he or she guides her shoppers by means of creating private {and professional} initiatives inside Notion. And we go into a few of these ways in which she does this right this moment. And it is extremely a lot a visible factor. So we discuss by means of as a lot as we are able to simply verbally right here, however she’s additionally gonna have a hyperlink within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, that may take you to her web site and to some extra visuals on how one can truly implement this in addition to she is likely to be prepared to do a mixed course for mothers and households of how one can use this particularly for these associated subjects. So, once more, I discover this a really, very useful device however I’m in no way an professional at utilizing it and I wished to usher in Sandra right this moment to go deeper on Notion. Sandra, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Sandra: Hello. Thanks, Katie.

Katie: I’m so excited to talk with you and be taught from you right this moment. One of many subjects that’s all the time arising after I ask the listeners what they need me to speak extra about is issues like group and productiveness. And an app that I’ve been most likely not even effectively utilizing, that has made my life a lot simpler is known as Notion. And I really feel like I’ve a ton of room for enchancment in how I exploit it. And I additionally really feel like that is an incredible device that’s not tremendous well-known but, particularly amongst mothers. And I believe it may be completely unbelievable. So, to start out with, I do know that you’re an professional on this, which is why I used to be so blissful to talk with you right this moment however stroll us by means of on a really broad degree what Notion is.

Sandra: Okay. So, Notion at its core is type of like a database. However I say that phrase, and typically folks run for the hills. So simply know that, if you’re first diving into it, it’s actually like….. It’s a no code utility, which suggests it’s very simple to arrange and configure. And it’s meant to do every thing beneath the solar from deal with notes, and duties, to collaboration. And one of many stunning issues about Notion is that you could cross-reference and sync information from all areas of your life to all different areas. In order that implies that it’s very versatile relating to designing your personal private dashboard that is smart to you and the best way you need to run your loved ones, run your life, run your small business, and so forth.

Katie: Yeah, I really feel like I’m solely starting to barely scratch the floor of understanding what number of makes use of it has. And I exploit it for enterprise and in addition for type of family administration and simply conserving observe of every thing I must do in my very own life in addition to, like, long-term objective monitoring. I observe one thing known as OKRs or goals and key outcomes for each enterprise and private, and I maintain all of these issues in Notion. However I do know earlier than we began recording, you talked about a very good level, which is that there’s a studying curve relating to Notion. And I believe anytime we’re speaking, like, excessive degree group, it could appear overwhelming at first. Actually after I first began utilizing Notion, I used to be slightly bit caught so far as how one can create techniques in it. And I ended up having to type of go define all of the issues I wanted to determine how one can handle after which work from there versus simply making an attempt to start out creating in Notion. So if somebody’s new to it, how can they type of keep away from that overwhelm or what’s a superb start line simply to begin to be taught or begin to determine what you’re going to place in Notion to start with?

Sandra: Yeah, so one which I’d throw on the market for a brand new person is nearly the entire notebooks and post-it notes and shoe packing containers that you’ve got round with numerous tidbits of knowledge, every thing from just like the whiteboard in your kitchen, the place you retain your menu, at the very least that’s what I do, you recognize, uber nerd over right here. However the entire little locations the place you’ve items of knowledge that you simply don’t wanna lose observe of and begin enthusiastic about these as elements of your life that you can convey collectively in a coherent complete. So in case you might have form of a one-stop store for simply getting the heart beat of issues, what would that appear to be in a super world? And even, like, breaking out the crayons and, like, drawing it out within the early days is a very good mind-set about it. As a result of Notion actually is so versatile. I believe it’s price taking the time to customise it for your self. After which the second factor is I additionally wouldn’t, like, overdo that as a result of Notion is best if you begin utilizing it as quickly as attainable, versus making an attempt to construct the right system earlier than you dive in. And that’s the opposite factor I see folks do so much is, like, soar in after which get so enthusiastic about how enjoyable it’s to design it as a result of it truly is enjoyable in case you like enjoying round in these types of issues after which overlook that it’s meant to really make your life simpler and never form of be a distraction rabbit gap. So, it’s like discovering that blissful medium between placing some thought into what you need it to appear to be, what objective you need it to serve, what data do you would like you can arrange higher or had higher observe of? So my company shoppers are often level to love their Google Drive is a multitude or their stuff buried in Slack.

However my, like, private shoppers give it some thought extra for, like, you recognize, monitoring their chore sheet, or funds, or possibly well being techniques, or simply various things on the non-public facet, even hobbies. It’s an ideal place to trace data on hobbies. So, it’s type of like getting the lay of the land of all of the classes after which enthusiastic about how you’ll wanna convey it collectively and being actually helpful with your self, such as you talked about. I like that you simply talked about the OKRs as a result of I observe these as nicely. I believe it’s an ideal place to have the ability to do that prime degree planning in addition to the low degree day after day job planning. I believe that’s one thing to consider is also, like, after I construct my system, one of many issues I’ve carried out is I’ve time-based perspective. So I’ve, like, a each day web page, a weekly web page. However then I even have form of subject perspective. So I’ve a enterprise homepage and a private homepage, after which additionally issues for hobbies and so forth. So it’s type of trying on the classes. After which the third factor I’ll throw out, proper off the bat is, like, guarantee that in case you fall down the plethora of knowledge on YouTube, about Notion is that you simply go to Notion’s official channel and have a look at the movies. And I all the time recommend that even for my, like, superior customers, as a result of Notion, as an organization, once they put out movies, they focus extra on the options and the way it works, versus, like, utility and templates. And there’s plenty of data and examples out on YouTube about alternative ways of approaching it and, like, completely different templates. However typically what will get misplaced in that’s, like, the actually easy core ideas of what’s a web page and what’s a desk? And so, like, what are the constructing blocks inside Notion that you simply use to configure your system?

Katie: Acquired it. Okay. So I’d like to undergo slightly bit of those type of possibly get some recommendation step-by-step on issues which can be largely universally relevant to folks listening. So, issues like all of us must eat and most of us are planning meals for our households. And I’ve, you recognize, instruments like Actual Plans that I exploit to do that however I additionally maintain my meal plan in Notion, together with like a seasonal rotating meal plan. However you talked about a meal plan being a factor that’s nice to trace in Notion that I absolutely agree. So, stroll us by means of type of how somebody can begin doing that or what sort of, I suppose not template, what sort of system they need to arrange in there to have the ability to construct on?

Sandra: Yeah. So, when it comes to, like, meals and meal plans, specifically, one of many issues that I like to recommend to folks typically is to consider their teams of knowledge, form of like separate buckets. So, for instance, I’ve a recipe log the place I’ve completely different web sites. And I’ll go on the web site and seize the prettiest image of no matter it’s and put that on the prime after which have the directions and any form of notes in there. However separate recipe log, I even have a totally separate desk for, like, my menu plan. So it’s like what day am I planning to eat what, proper? And from there, I hyperlink that. Truly, it’s simply round with this yesterday, my Sunday afternoon on which was enjoying round with making this work even higher than it has earlier than. So, I’m type of tremendous excited to speak about it right this moment. And that’s that I linked it into what I name my each day journal or my form of, like, my digital bullet journal, if you’ll. So, I’ve this each day homepage that I am going to that has all these reflections, which I can get into in a second. Nevertheless it has the hyperlink to journaling questions and my habits. Like, am I ingesting my water? Am I exercising? That good things after which it additionally has this show of my week and can truly inform me what I plan to eat, or no matter I plan to make for dinner. And Notion has all these nice completely different show codecs, if you’ll. So, one of many issues I can do is definitely set this up in order that there’s a reminder that if we’re having stir fry for dinner, I ought to make the rice at lunchtime so I don’t overlook. You understand, it’s like that little stuff that may make our lives a lot simpler. And so determining how one can arrange my gallery view in Notion. So it not solely shows a reasonably image of the recipe to entice me, to start out dinner prep after I ought to, and it additionally tells me, like, “Hey, what can I do at lunchtime to make my night slightly smoother?”

In order that’s type of, like, structurally how I do a meal. I’ve the completely different tables, however I’ll say, like, to even type of zoom out or go to an much more greater degree, one of many issues I prefer to level out for Notion customers is that if you’re beginning out, what’s the distinction between a web page and a desk? And the way do you make tables relate to one another in a approach that makes issues simpler? Tables may be fairly particular in it’s objective. Like I used to be saying, I’ve a recipe desk, however that’s very separate from my meal plan desk. And that’s separate from my digital bullet journal and behavior monitoring desk. And by doing issues like that, it offers you slightly extra flexibility and management about what you show the place. And, you recognize, Notion, it’s arduous to speak over audio, proper, how versatile it’s. And I’m positive you can communicate to this too, the place you simply can management so many little nuances of what you see on numerous screens and dashboards. It’s in contrast to another house upkeep or, you recognize, effort I’ve put into monitoring, like, simply all these issues that go into managing house life, actually.

Katie: That’s superior. Yeah, I really feel like I exploit this in so many various methods as nicely. And like I mentioned, I don’t even assume I exploit it almost as effectively as lots of people, and particularly as you. You simply talked about a each day homepage. And I like this concept type of like a management heart for every thing you’ll put into Notion. Are you able to stroll us by means of type of, like, the way you set that up and all of the issues that you simply carry on there, and the way you then go from there and to every thing else you observe?

Sandra: Yeah. Yeah. So I like that you simply requested that as a result of my each day web page is definitely the place I begin my day, day-after-day. And in reality, it’s so important to my course of that oftentimes… It’s additionally the place I finish my day if I’m being in line with my habits. And so, I’ve… One of many issues I love to do is do examine ins at numerous level throughout the day. And for me, a check-in is a set of questions that I prefer to ask myself to simply form of, like, actually examine in to see how I’m feeling that day, what I need to accomplish that day, if there’s something I’m worrying about, actually only a pause from form of the, I hate to say grind as a result of that’s probably not what I imply. However you get what I’m saying. Like, that day in time out the type of, we get into automated pilot, a greater approach of claiming it. And having the check-ins for it’s a big approach of me zooming within the midst of the day and deciding how I need a few hours to go. So, my each day web page is the place I’ve my examine ins situated and I set these up as template button. So I’ve a preset listing of questions which can be in a web page. And so all I’ve to do is click on the template button and it pops open a brand new web page with all my questions and I fill them out. After which I suppose all in a mirrored image database. So I can go and see that, like, you recognize, on December 14th, I used to be speaking about stability. That’s the tag I’ve on it for this morning. After which from there on my each day web page, I’ve a hyperlink to a separate desk, the one I used to be speaking about for form of, like, the each day habits. And in that desk, I observe an entire slew of issues from, like, I’ve checkboxes for did I sweat? Did I stretch? Did I meditate? Did I do my morning pages? Did I do a thought mannequin? Did I take medication, nutritional vitamins, so on and so forth? So you can go down the laundry listing of the issues that you simply maintain observe of for your self.

And, you recognize, that is multi function desk however I show it in numerous sections. So, I don’t must assume by means of it unexpectedly on a regular basis. I get by means of what I’m a given second. And so, this each day web page, it truly has, like, I believe 4 sections to it. And so there’s a web page that’s worthy of my consideration at 5:00 within the morning after I’m, like, pre-coffee and simply making an attempt to get my mind in right here. However there’s additionally a bit of it that’s like noon examine in and a bit of it that’s extra in direction of the top of the day. And in every of those areas, I exploit my behavior tracker and I show completely different fields. So completely different properties. So, within the morning, the one factor I actually care about is, like, did I keep in mind to take…? You understand, did I keep in mind to have some water and what time did I get up? That type of factor. However later within the day, there’s fields for meals and monitoring signs. Like, I’ve power sinus points so I observe all of the signs associated to that simply so I can see going again, “Oh, hey, you recognize, this has truly been bugging me for a few weeks now, not simply a few days. And simply offers me all this wealthy details about what’s occurring in my world from a day after day foundation. In order that’s type of how I soar off from the each day web page.

Katie: I’m taking notes and mapping out all these items that I want so as to add to mine. So, discuss slightly bit extra about templates as a result of I believe this is among the big strengths of Notion. And I do know that there appears to be a capability to share templates as a result of I’ve used templates that different folks have created. I haven’t gotten excellent at creating my very own templates but however this has been on my listing as a result of quite a lot of the issues I do are repetitive. And creating them as a template, like a each day to do listing or weekly planning for my staff, issues like that, it appears actually, actually useful. So, stroll us by means of the benefits of templates and how one can type of work out how one can use them.

Sandra: Yeah. So, the phrase template is utilized in a few alternative ways and form of the Notion sphere if you’ll. So, the excessive degree model of a template is, like, you recognize, you’ll be able to construct out no matter you need your pages and tables to appear to be, after which you’ll be able to truly share that complete setup with different folks. And so, if you say you’ve introduced templates into your system, that’s what you’re speaking about there. There’s truly a technique to share it on the net. And if you first go into Notion, you’ll be able to, like, click on the duplicate button on a shared template and it’ll switch that complete setup into your setup. So after I work with shoppers privately, that’s typically what we do is as soon as I get them arrange with the fundamentals, they usually’re rocking and rolling, they usually’ve obtained the technical expertise down, which solely takes, you recognize, an hour or two to do, then we switch my template into their system. My template’s slightly little bit of a whopper, proper, as a result of I, you recognize, do that day in and time out. And that’s one technique to form of streamline issues is to search out an individual that you simply like Notion already, you recognize, both by way of YouTube or no matter, after which both buy or search for a free template that you could switch in your system. It’s an enormous time saver as a result of these templates, in the event that they’re designed nicely will include all these tables that we’re speaking about pre-linked collectively. So that you don’t have to sit down there and type of figuring all of the structure. It additionally eases issues from the standpoint. I prefer to say that Notion doesn’t have an opinion about the way you handle your small business or your life. And in order that’s each a superb factor and a foul factor. And it’s that them not having an opinion implies that you need to have an opinion. All of us have time for ourselves, how are we utilizing Notion, the place are we gonna begin our day? What’s gonna be an important? After which, however it implies that we get to resolve all that stuff, versus having to fall into regardless of the software program developer determined was one of the best ways to do one thing.

In order that’s templates at a excessive degree. However there’s additionally templates inside the system which can be like for any given database, you’ll be able to have a template that would prefill data. So, like, finest instance for me is in a piece, I’ve a template specifically for my assembly log, if you’ll. And so, after I began new issues, say, I’ve a brand new gross sales plan or one thing like that, I even have prefilled questions that I like to ensure I ask. And so, after I begin a dialog of that nature, I can simply press a button on that desk, launches a brand new web page, with all of these questions preloaded… So I don’t even have to consider it. One other approach could be possibly, like, you’re operating a podcast, for instance, sure steps that you simply observe for the podcast, most likely on a weekly foundation, on a month-to-month foundation episode. And so, these form of checklists, if you’ll, might be their very own template in a system so that each time you begin a brand new podcast, you recognize, content material calendar to your month or your quarter might open that up and also you’d have all new checkboxes to start out your circulate of knowledge. And I’m utilizing checkboxes simply to make the instance. However your templates can get actually advanced with nested tables and ask associated data. So it’s actually… That is what makes Notion superior is that it’s so malleable to what the person truly wants. It may be tremendous easy with simply a few checkboxes, all actually highly effective, and you can use it to handle a staff or run a enterprise. After which the third one, like, so many templates… So the third kind of template is definitely what we name a template button. And a template button is a totally completely different type of characteristic in Notion, the place it simply exists on the web page and you may put something into it that you simply wanna replicate. And I like to make use of it as a result of it offers the title of the web page a prefilled label, so it pops in versus utilizing a template in a desk, which doesn’t try this. And you’ll type of sneak them in all through. And so, if there’s sure issues that you simply do on a repeated foundation, however possibly aren’t so advanced, that it’s price placing them in their very own desk, then you’ll be able to, you recognize, use these template buttons simply to form of streamline a course of or create a set of reminders or, like I mentioned, it’s good for making a set of checkboxes that possibly you do each week or month or one thing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m considering of so many new methods to make use of this for lots extra areas of my life actually. Does this…? Can notion combine instantly with different techniques that individuals is likely to be utilizing? As an illustration, you talked about Slack or Calendar apps or can it combine instantly with any of these items or is it standalone?

Sandra: So proper now it’s standalone. What I’ll say is that Notion has the power to embed quite a lot of apps. So what which means is Notion is mainly entry by means of the slack command. And also you press that, and also you’ll see an inventory of choices. And as you begin typing, it type of narrows all the way down to what you want. One of many issues you are able to do is you’ll be able to, like, embed a Google doc, or a picture, or plenty of different issues. Simply final week, there was a launch Notion put out a discover that they’re within the midst of testing API, which is mainly the decision that functions use to speak between one another. And so it’s gonna be in beta early subsequent 12 months. So, fingers crossed someday earlier than the top of subsequent 12 months, we’re gonna even have true integration with different functions. However proper now, standalone. And I’ll say, although, every time I’ve had that, like, after I used to do it or a few of these different apps which can be on the market to assist meet my life, I all the time discovered myself including extra to it than I might actually moderately course of. So there’s one thing about API that may ship us on a path of just about, like, over-integrating issues. So, in some methods, I’m type of grateful that Notion has been the standalone characteristic as a result of it actually encourages curating what you’re placing in there, versus simply dumping every thing in there after which probably not with the ability to use it to execute on the issues that you simply wanna have the ability to do.

Katie: That’s superior. I do know one other type of unrelated factor that I exploit it for that I most likely might work out how one can templatized higher, however that I like to recommend to those who is likely to be a brand new one, even for you as I exploit it to do one thing known as the Feynman approach. And I maintain what would mainly be like a journal, however the place I form of put all of my Feyman approach summaries proper now. And for anyone who’s not acquainted, I’ve talked about it slightly bit on the podcast earlier than however the Feyman approach is mainly the concept that you’ve discovered one thing when you’ve the power to obviously and concisely clarify it to a toddler. And fortuitously, I’ve plenty of youngsters to really apply this and clarify to day-after-day. However that is one thing I do every time I learn a brand new ebook or watch a TED discuss or be taught a brand new idea by researching or actually delve into the research on a subject. And I discover it actually helps recall. However by committing these items to an precise written type, I even have them in a single place for reference. So if I ever want to return and keep in mind one thing from a ebook or from an idea that I’ve discovered, it’s in a single place, and Notion offers me an ideal place to trace all of those. After which I may also, like, simply discover them to share them, if I must with my staff or no matter it could be. In order that’s a tip I like to present mothers is it actually helps I discover improve recall and creativity. And in case you’re not a giant fan of writing, you should use one other app known as Otter in your cellphone to talk into your cellphone and clarify, and it’ll transcribe it for you so then you’ll be able to put it in Notion. In order that’s type of like the way you mentioned you employ it as a journal. That’s form of the best way I form of each day journal with it. And you then talked about you additionally use it to trace issues like objectives, and I do too, however I’ve a sense you’re gonna have some ideas of higher ways in which I may be utilizing this to trace objectives. So, do you construct templates for that or how do you map out after which maintain observe of objectives inside Notion?

Sandra: Yeah. So, monitoring of objectives, I do OKR course of, which has been actually revolutionary for me personally, as a result of I all the time discovered SMART objectives to be slightly too bossy, if you’ll. I’m a insurgent at coronary heart. And so, the second somebody tells me what to do, I are likely to do the other. So SMART objective by no means fairly labored for me as a result of I simply wished to insurgent in opposition to it. However there’s one thing concerning the OKR methodology the place if you make the goals, the form of inspirational/aspirational issues that you simply’re making an attempt to do in your small business or your life, the influence that you simply’re making an attempt to have, the main target, and also you set these up first, all of the sudden having key outcomes, that are basically SMART objectives, they’re well timed and particular, it feels much more approachable to me. And there are issues that I actually care about. So I’m in a position to, you recognize, harness that energy. And so the best way my system is configured is I’ve goals and outcomes each in separate tables. After which I additionally am a giant fan of Charlie Gilkey, and the Productive Flourishing Academy. He has a ebook known as “Begin Ending,” which in case you haven’t learn it or seen it, I extremely suggest it. It’s only a nice ebook for anyone actually. Like, I’ve seen professionals use it. I’ve seen creatives use it. I’ve seen dad and mom use it. It’s only a neat methodology for planning how one can truly end the issues that we begin, proper? So, the best way I exploit the momentum planning technique in Notion is, I’ve another tables, one’s for initiatives, which I consider as type of just like the smaller steps to creating my key outcomes occur. After which I’ve a desk for actions or duties with a very micro degree. I must, you recognize, replace this factor or analysis this factor, no matter, the duties I must maintain. After which, to make it much more strong, I’ve another desk that I exploit, which I name areas, which is supposed to be form of wheel of life, if you’ll. So, any form of part to my life that I wanna have an intentional apply round and chew with, I arrange within the areas.

And so it’s form of like having a objective, however it takes off, like I mentioned, that point stress, in order that it’s simply, you recognize, periodically, I am going in and I have a look at these issues that matter to me, and I can type of… You understand, a few of them have checkboxes, a few of them have tables, a few of them simply have quotes to remind me of issues. So it’s a really fluid course of by the point it will get to areas, however it permits me to separate out issues I care about that I wanna be intentional about from precise measurable spindles that I’ve in my enterprise. And all of those tables, very areas of my system. So all of them seem in my weekly assessment. They seem on… A few of them are on the each day web page or I even have two different dashboards that I exploit after the each day web page on a day after day foundation. And so they’re known as the Right now Web page and The This Week Web page. And people mainly permit me to have, like I mentioned, time-based perspective on what it’s I’m making an attempt to create.

Katie: I like that. I do know, like… I believe, OKR, I’m an enormous fan as nicely. I’ll put a few of my favourite assets associated to understanding that within the shownotes. I believe it’s relevant to everybody. I do know it’s typically utilized in enterprise, however I believe it’s truly very related to folks as nicely, so far as planning long-term issues with our youngsters, actually for homeschooling dad and mom and having objectives associated to that. And I additionally use it, like I mentioned, in my private life for private growth issues or new expertise I’m making an attempt to be taught and conserving observe of all of these. I really feel like there’s simply so some ways to make use of that.

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And a few different ways in which I exploit Notion, generally, are for conserving observe of issues like Christmas present concepts or present concepts, generally, for all my children. I’ve issues like that as a result of they have a tendency to say issues all year long. After which reasonably than having to consider them, simply at the moment of the 12 months, additionally issues like home updates and initiatives issues I must, like, work towards with that. And also you talked about additionally issues like well being metrics, which can be related to lots of people listening. How can we use Notion to maintain observe of these items or how would you set that up?

Sandra: Yeah, so that is the place Notion can actually be an entire, like, life working system. And I say that… And, you recognize, I’m all the time very… I work with quite a lot of freshmen and quite a lot of proper mind form of inventive thoughts map kind folks. And so I’ve a smooth spot for them. And I do know that saying the phrase working system isn’t all the time engaging to everyone. However on the similar time, it’s only a approach of harnessing all that creativity and all these concepts you’ve, and placing the knowledge that we’re all monitoring in our heads down and to get, once more. That’s the important thing factor for me, whether or not we’re about education and even simply serving to your children maintain observe of their schoolwork. And if they’re doing on-line class or their chore schedule or their after college occasions or one which I did just lately that I type of amused myself with is I arrange an entire desk that’s, like, I name them weekly quests. And it’s mainly a gamified model of conserving observe of all of the issues that I don’t must do day-after-day however I must do a couple of occasions per week. And mainly the best way the desk works is I’ve a few formulation in-built in order that so long as I vacuum as soon as per week, I get a thumbs up and a superb job. But when I vacuum twice per week, then it offers me a bonus. And of this previous gamified factor with formulation in there that simply amuses me to no finish. And it truly encourages me to do these items that I’d in any other case procrastinate or simply really feel like, “Oh, I’m too drained, it could wait till tomorrow.” After which you know the way that goes. Like, then it’s like three days later and you continue to haven’t vacuumed or no matter. So I prefer to put enjoyable issues in there. So it doesn’t all the time really feel like, oh, that is, like, another factor I’ve to do. The important thing factor for me with Notion, like, I truly need to open it on the weekend, which I’ve by no means felt earlier than with another app. So, when it comes to, like, attending to a extra sensible reply to your query, one of many issues that I exploit or that I did at Notion this 12 months that was tremendous useful is we moved.

And so not solely did I’ve in there our lists of we had been in search of in a home and, like, our ideally suited, you recognize, options and what had been the necessities, folks stored observe of the dialog, the realtor and, like, the entire homes we visited, type of like doing a professional con listing on them. After which when it obtained time for the transfer, I did an entire stock. So I numbered all of the packing containers. After which after I packed a field, I simply made, like, a 3 phrase or a 3 sentence, only a actually fast… What am I making an attempt to say? Three phrase, there we go. Three phrase description of what went within the field. And so then I used to be in a position to once we moved, and it’s like, okay, we’d like no matter, the espresso grinder. I might truly search the desk and discover it. And I knew, okay, that is field 89 or no matter it was. And I’ve to say, I believed I used to be over-engineering it and type of laughing at myself however I used to be having a lot enjoyable doing it, I did it anyway, and it completely paid off. Like, it was nicely well worth the effort I put in to have the ability to observe down, you recognize, no matter pot and pan and my spices come that first week after the transfer. In order that’s form of, like, a sensible approach that you can use an app like this to make your life simpler.

Katie: And one other factor we’ve talked about slightly bit, however I wanna be sure that we are saying explicitly is that as a result of Notion is an app, it has each desktop and cellphone interfaces after which, in fact, they sync. And in order that’s been actually useful to me as a result of, as an illustration, like among the issues we’ve talked about, like meal planning, I can pull that up after I’m on the retailer. I can work on these items after I’m at an appointment with the youngsters or ready on the youngsters in an exercise as a result of my cellphone is just about all the time with me. And so it’s tremendous handy that approach however then it’s simple additionally to work on a desktop if you’re establishing a few of these greater initiatives and greater issues. I’m curious, I imply, clearly, you’re most likely an influence person of Notion, however how a lot are you interacting with Notion throughout any regular day?

Sandra: It’s a superb query. I’m out and in of it just about all day lengthy. I’ll say although, you recognize, I nonetheless maintain a paper journal after I’m on the cellphone, oftentimes, as a result of I’m displaying anyone else how one can use Notion. So we’re of their Notion setup. However I discover it useful for my mind to put in writing some issues down. After which I’ve a course of on the finish of the week, the place I type of undergo that listing and guarantee that every thing’s in Notion the best way I need it to be and that, you recognize, I can maintain observe of all of the little particulars and the nuances. So, I discover it to be a very fluid factor when it comes to, you recognize, some days I’m in there, like, actually virtually all day. Now granted, I’m a Notion marketing consultant in order that is smart. However even on days after I’m engaged on different issues or serving to anyone with an internet site or different enterprise techniques, I’m nonetheless out and in just about all day. And I’d say the opposite two issues I’ll throw out, I like that you simply talked about the net, desktop, cellphone, and it really works on iPad rather well. In actual fact, they’ve made quite a lot of enhancements within the final couple of months on the way it works on iPad. And so, it’s like virtually so many enhancements that I type of wanna get a model new iPad simply so I can use it. It’s nice to have the ability to see it in all these completely different codecs. And there’s a new factor on the brand new iOS working… You understand, the newest replace for iOS truly has this factor known as widgets, which if folks haven’t seen them or checked them out but, they’re actually cool. They mainly put little mini apps, if you’ll, proper in your cellphone display. And the Notion widget is tremendous useful as a result of it could take, like, the primary few issues in your favorites. So, like, my favorites, the pages are each day, fast seize, and my right this moment web page plus a couple of others. And I even have that widget proper on my cellphone in order that, you recognize, if I’m within the kitchen, making a cup of tea between calls, and I consider one thing, I can pop it open and add it to my fast seize or no matter web page is smart actually simply and on the fly. So there’s plenty of, like, you recognize, you’re not locked into solely being in your browser, solely be in your desktop, you’ve plenty of choices and methods to entry it that may make life simpler.

Katie: Superior. And also you talked about at first, this can be a tough factor to elucidate totally, simply verbally as a result of it’s very a lot hands-on and visible as nicely. However I do know that is one thing that you simply do assist folks with and you’ve got an internet site associated to. So, for individuals who need to perceive extra and who need to begin integrating this, I’ll guarantee that hyperlink is within the present notes however type of stroll us by means of the way you assist folks with that and the assets you’ve.

Sandra: Yeah, so for several types of shoppers are completely different. I actually would like to have a bunch of mothers or dads simply households that wanna use it for homeschool or private stuff and all of that stuff. So what I’m gonna do is ready up slightly discussion board on my web site so if anyone’s fascinated about that type of factor, they’ll let me know after which we are able to determine it out within the new 12 months. And the opposite factor I’ll throw out, yow will discover Twitter at notionnerd and Instagram @notionnerd additionally. So one of the best ways to search out me is on sandrahalling com. And in case you put in /wellnessmama, you land on a web page that may have some fascinating data that’s, like, geared in direction of serving to households. And I truly would like to have a workshop subsequent 12 months, particularly with that as a goal. So I’ll put in slightly factor that if that’s of curiosity to anyone, they’ll join and let me know. Primary methods I work with folks proper now could be by means of enterprise teaching and techniques help. And so, typically folks are available they usually need simply Notion and so we’ll deep dive over 30 days to get each step up and rocking and rolling. After which typically what folks want is extra of, like, a type of slower burn, if you’ll. So we do a 3 to 6 months method to dig into the completely different techniques they’ve of their enterprise and streamline issues, join all of the dots. Like, simply this morning, I used to be serving to a shopper join their Google calendar with their iCloud, with their Macbook, with their cellphone, like, all these little doodads go collectively. And so Notion is form of like one piece of the puzzle for me, however it spine of the techniques I arrange. So, once more, yow will discover me on the net at sandrahalling.com or on Twitter or Instagram at notionnerd.

Katie: Good. I’ll be sure that these are linked right here. And one other query I like to ask on the finish. You talked about one already, but when there’s a ebook or quite a few books which have had a dramatic influence in your life, and in that case what they’re and why?

Sandra: Yeah. So, I’ve to say that some of the impactful books for me is “Getting Issues Executed,” which is form of a traditional within the productiveness area. So, I discovered it Most worthy or most impactful within the sense that it taught me how one can group, and categorize, and course of data in a approach that I hadn’t seen earlier than. And it got here out after I was fairly younger in my profession, I believe I used to be about 20 or so. So it simply hit me on the proper second to create what we’ve got now, which is, you recognize, database marketing consultant now for a few years. So, that was actually impactful. And clearly “Begin Ending” is type of an ideal device now. I believe “Getting Issues Executed” is form of a traditional, but in addition it was written 20 years in the past. So there’s some components to it, the place our lives have simply modified a lot. And I believe “Begin Ending” does a greater job of addressing the entire completely different avenues that our lives take and the way a lot data comes at us and simply form of managing the combination there. After which different books that, like, actually matter to me on a private degree had been, like, some Ram Dass books, “Paths to God.” And Eckert Tolle’s “A New Earth” was additionally actually impactful for me as a result of it simply gave me a unique perspective on issues. And I like mixing these items. So it’s each my life holistically, offers me a want to wanna arrange it extra. In order that’s type of how these two issues tie collectively for me.

Katie: Nice suggestions. I’ll be sure that these are linked within the present notes as nicely. I’m so glad I obtained to share extra about Notion right this moment as a result of like I mentioned, it’s a device that I discover actually invaluable. And I additionally one, I really feel like I’m not utilizing them as a lot as I might be. And I’m excited to have discovered extra from you right this moment. And hopefully shared a brand new useful resource with most of the folks listening that may simplify their lives. However thanks to your time right this moment and for all of the work you’re doing.

Sandra: Thanks a lot, Katie. It was quite a lot of enjoyable.

Katie: And thanks guys, as all the time for listening, for sharing your Most worthy useful resource, your time with each of us right this moment. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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